मुझे यह विचार बहुत पसंद आया कि शब्द अंतरिक्ष में तैर रहे हैं और उनके पीछे की अंतरिक्ष लगातार बदलती हुई, हमेशा गतिशील है।
I liked the idea of the words floating in space and the space behind it moving all the time, ever changing.
I liked the idea of the words floating in space and the space behind it moving all the time, ever changing.
मुझे लगता है कि शब्द हमसे बात करते हैं, भले ही वे किसी दीवार पर लिखे हों। इसलिए हम उन्हें अपने मन में सुनते हैं। हम उन्हें खुद से दोहराते हैं। लेकिन वे दृश्य चीज़ें भी हैं। आप उन्हें बनाते हैं। उनकी रूपरेखा तैयार की जाती है। उनमें रंग भरे जाते हैं। उनका एक निश्चित आकार होता है। मैं उन्हें एक निश्चित स्थान पर रखता हूँ। इसलिए वे ऐसी वस्तुएँ हैं जिन्हें बनाना पड़ता है—रंग, आकार, रेखा और बाकी चीज़ों के मामले में कलात्मक निर्णय लेने पड़ते हैं।
I think words speak to us even though they may be written on a wall. So we hear them in our mind. We say it to ourselves. But they are also visual things. You draw them. They are designed. They are colored. They have a certain size. I put them in a certain place. So they are objects that have to be - artistic decisions have to be made in terms of the color and the size and the line and whatever.
I think words speak to us even though they may be written on a wall. So we hear them in our mind. We say it to ourselves. But they are also visual things. You draw them. They are designed. They are colored. They have a certain size. I put them in a certain place. So they are objects that have to be - artistic decisions have to be made in terms of the color and the size and the line and whatever.
एक पाठ शब्द को और अधिक स्पष्ट बनाता है। यह वास्तव में उसे उस संदर्भ के दायरे में परिभाषित करता है जिसमें उसका उपयोग किया जा रहा है। यदि इसे किसी संदर्भ से बाहर निकाल कर सिर्फ एक वस्तु के रूप में पेश किया जाए, तो वह समकालीन कला का एक विचार बन जाता है। यह किसी पुरानी अतियथार्थवादी (सुरियल) या क्यूबवादी विचारधारा की तरह है, जिसमें किसी चीज़ को उसके संदर्भ से निकालकर बिल्कुल अलग संदर्भ में रख दिया जाता है। और इससे उसे एक अलग अर्थ मिलता है और एक दूसरी दुनिया रच जाती है, एक ऐसी दुनिया जिसमें हम प्रवेश करते हैं।
A text makes the word more specific. It really kind of defines it within the context in which it is being used. If it is just taken out of a context and presented as a sort of object, which is what - you know, which is a contemporary art idea, you know. It is like an old surrealist idea or an old cubist idea to take something out of context and put it in a completely different context. And it sort of gives it a different meaning and creates another world, another kind of world in which we enter.
A text makes the word more specific. It really kind of defines it within the context in which it is being used. If it is just taken out of a context and presented as a sort of object, which is what - you know, which is a contemporary art idea, you know. It is like an old surrealist idea or an old cubist idea to take something out of context and put it in a completely different context. And it sort of gives it a different meaning and creates another world, another kind of world in which we enter.
और हम एक ऐसी दुनिया में रहते हैं जो भाषा, शब्दों और इसी तरह की चीज़ों से बनी है। इसलिए हम किसी न किसी तरह से उनसे जुड़ाव महसूस कर पाते हैं। वे हमारे बिना अस्तित्व में नहीं रह सकते। शब्दों को हम ही बनाते हैं।
And we live in a kind of realm of language and words and so forth. So we can sort of relate to them. They don't exist without us. We create words.
And we live in a kind of realm of language and words and so forth. So we can sort of relate to them. They don't exist without us. We create words.
मैं वास्तविकता के साथ छेड़छाड़ करने से बचने की कोशिश करता हूँ... जो होना है, वह होकर रहेगा। चीज़ों को वैसे ही रहने दीजिए जैसी वे हैं।
I try not to manipulate reality... What will happen, will happen. Let things be themselves.
I try not to manipulate reality... What will happen, will happen. Let things be themselves.
मैं जानता हूँ कि गलतियाँ कहाँ हैं। कोई भी चीज़ पूरी तरह सही नहीं होती और मैं इस बात को समझता हूँ।
I know where the mistakes are. Nothing is perfect and I understand that.
I know where the mistakes are. Nothing is perfect and I understand that.
सबसे पहले तो यह समझना होगा कि शब्द विचारों को दर्शाते हैं। मेरा मतलब है, यह सिर्फ कोई वस्तु नहीं है, बल्कि यह एक इतिहास से जुड़ी वस्तु है और तरह-तरह के निहितार्थों तथा विचारों से परिपूर्ण है। वे इस दुनिया में एक बहुत ही खास तरीके से मौजूद हैं। इसलिए वे हमारी समझ के अनुसार दुनिया के किसी पहलू को दर्शाते हैं, ठीक वैसे ही जैसे तस्वीरें, पेड़ों के रेखाचित्र या अन्य चीज़ें दर्शाती हैं। और वे बिल्कुल वैसी की वैसी नहीं होतीं। वे दुनिया खुद नहीं हैं, बल्कि वे दुनिया की ओर इशारा करती हैं और इस दुनिया में मौजूद भी रहती हैं।
The words represent ideas first of all. That is something you have to understand. I mean, it is not just an object, but it is an object with a history and it is loaded with all kinds of implications and ideas. They exist in the world in a very special way. So they kind of represent some aspect of the world that we perceive, as do photographs, as do drawings of trees or whatever. And they are not a one to one. They are not the world, but they kind of refer to the world and they also exist in the world.
The words represent ideas first of all. That is something you have to understand. I mean, it is not just an object, but it is an object with a history and it is loaded with all kinds of implications and ideas. They exist in the world in a very special way. So they kind of represent some aspect of the world that we perceive, as do photographs, as do drawings of trees or whatever. And they are not a one to one. They are not the world, but they kind of refer to the world and they also exist in the world.
यदि आप कला में अच्छी चीज़ों के बारे में जानना चाहते हैं, तो आपको किसी कलाकार से बात करनी चाहिए।
If you want to know about what's good in art, you should talk to an artist.
If you want to know about what's good in art, you should talk to an artist.
मुझे फ्रेम के भीतर स्वतंत्र रूप से लटकती हुई कलाकृति पसंद है। मुझे इसके चारों ओर बहुत ज़्यादा फ्रेम पसंद नहीं है, बल्कि मैं कलाकृति के आसपास थोड़ी सांस लेने की जगह (खाली जगह) पसंद करता हूँ।
I like the work hanging free in the frame. I don't like too much frame around it but I like a little breathing space around the piece.
I like the work hanging free in the frame. I don't like too much frame around it but I like a little breathing space around the piece.
हर कोई हमेशा मेरे काम से संतुष्ट रहता है।
Everybody is always satisfied with what I do.
Everybody is always satisfied with what I do.
मैं हमेशा काम करता रहता हूँ, लेकिन हमेशा एक तरह की समय-सीमा (डेडलाइन) होती है जिसमें आपको काम पूरा करना होता है। मैं किसी प्रदर्शनी के लिए ऐसा नहीं करता। दूसरे शब्दों में, मैं किसी फैशन डिजाइनर की तरह नहीं हूँ जिसके पास... मुझे पूरी श्रृंखला (लाइन) पेश करनी हो या गर्मियों के लिए कपड़े उतारने हों।
I am always producing work, but there is always a sort of deadline where you have to finish work. I don't do it for a show. In other words, I am not like a fashion designer where I have a, you know - I have to put out the full line or I have to put out the summer line like that.
I am always producing work, but there is always a sort of deadline where you have to finish work. I don't do it for a show. In other words, I am not like a fashion designer where I have a, you know - I have to put out the full line or I have to put out the summer line like that.
अक्रिय गैसों (इनर्ट गैस) का एक काव्यात्मक पहलू होता है। और याद रखिए, सबसे पहले तो सौ साल पहले इनके बारे में कोई नहीं जानता था। हम इनके बारे में बिल्कुल अनजान थे। और फिर जब वायुमंडल में इनकी खोज हुई, तो यह विचार कि यह एक ऐसा पदार्थ है जिसे हम सांस के ज़रिए अंदर लेते हैं और बाहर छोड़ते हैं और जो कुछ समय के लिए हमारा हिस्सा बन जाता है, इसने इसे और भी दिलचस्प बना दिया। इनके नाम, यूनानी नाम भी दिलचस्प हैं—अगर आप नियॉन, ज़ीनन आदि का अनुवाद करें तो वे काफी दिलचस्प लगते हैं।
There's a kind of poetic aspect to inert gas. And remember, first of all, they were completely unknown a hundred years earlier. We just didn't know about them. And then when they were discovered in the atmosphere, the idea that this is a material that would breathe in and exhale and becomes part of us for a while made it even more intriguing. The names, the Greek names, are interesting, too - if you translate neon, xenon and so forth are kind of interesting.
There's a kind of poetic aspect to inert gas. And remember, first of all, they were completely unknown a hundred years earlier. We just didn't know about them. And then when they were discovered in the atmosphere, the idea that this is a material that would breathe in and exhale and becomes part of us for a while made it even more intriguing. The names, the Greek names, are interesting, too - if you translate neon, xenon and so forth are kind of interesting.
मैंने कला की कक्षाएँ लीं, बस इस अर्थ में कि मैं ऐसा कर सका—मैंने कला की कक्षाएँ लीं जो मज़ेदार थीं, जो मुझे पसंद आईं, लेकिन वह बस एक तरह की सामान्य शिक्षा थी जो मुझे मिली, एक नियमित अकादमिक डिप्लोमा; पर मुझे ऐसा महसूस होता था कि कला ही वह चीज़ है जिसे मैं सबसे ज़्यादा पसंद करता था, हालांकि मैं पूरी तरह आश्वस्त नहीं था कि यही मेरा रास्ता है।
I took art courses, only in the sense that I was able to - I took art classes, which were fun, which I liked, but it was a - just a kind of a general education that I got, a regular academic - academic diploma, but I kind of had the feeling that art was something that I really liked the most but I wasn't really sure that that was it.
I took art courses, only in the sense that I was able to - I took art classes, which were fun, which I liked, but it was a - just a kind of a general education that I got, a regular academic - academic diploma, but I kind of had the feeling that art was something that I really liked the most but I wasn't really sure that that was it.
कला में मेरी सचमुच बहुत रुचि थी, शायद लिखने या किसी भी अन्य चीज़ से कहीं ज़्यादा।
Art was something that I was really interested in, probably more so than writing or anything else.
Art was something that I was really interested in, probably more so than writing or anything else.
मेरे काम की ज़्यादातर आलोचनाएँ काफी अच्छी थीं, लेकिन कभी-कभार ऐसा नहीं भी होता था। और मुझे ऐसा लगता था कि वे बिल्कुल नहीं समझ पाए कि मैं क्या कर रहा हूँ। यह उनकी अपनी सीमाओं को दर्शाता था कि वे कला को कैसा देखना चाहते हैं या पिछले कामों के मुकाबले वे मेरे काम को किस रूप में देखना चाहते हैं।
Most of the criticism of my work was pretty good, but occasionally it would not be. And I just sort of felt that they absolutely didn't get what I was doing. It was their limitations on what they thought art should be or what they thought my work should be in relation to earlier work or whatever.
Most of the criticism of my work was pretty good, but occasionally it would not be. And I just sort of felt that they absolutely didn't get what I was doing. It was their limitations on what they thought art should be or what they thought my work should be in relation to earlier work or whatever.
मैंने 'आवर लेडी ऑफ मर्सी' नामक पैरोशियल स्कूल (चर्च से जुड़ा स्कूल) से पढ़ाई की और 'फोर्डहम प्रेप' में दाखिला लिया, लेकिन वह सिर्फ एक साल के करीब ही चल पाया और फिर—मेरे लिए, वह किसी नजरबंद शिविर (कॉन्संट्रेशन कैंप) में जाने जैसा था। मैं वहाँ बहुत खुश नहीं था। और मैंने वहाँ सिर्फ इसलिए दाखिला लिया था क्योंकि असल में मेरा भाई भी वहीं पढ़ता था।
I went to Our Lady of Mercy, parochial school and I started Fordham Prep, but that only lasted about a year and then I - to me, it was like going to some kind of concentration camp. I was not very happy. And I only went there because that's where my brother went, really.
I went to Our Lady of Mercy, parochial school and I started Fordham Prep, but that only lasted about a year and then I - to me, it was like going to some kind of concentration camp. I was not very happy. And I only went there because that's where my brother went, really.
अपनी खुद की शैली विकसित करना मेरे लिए एक बहुत ही दिलचस्प और बेहद महत्वपूर्ण चीज़ बन गई।
Developing your own style became something very interesting, very important to me.
Developing your own style became something very interesting, very important to me.
लेकिन अगर मैंने मॉरीस मर्लो-पोंटी को पढ़ा भी, उदाहरण के लिए, तो मुझे हमेशा ऐसा लगा कि उनकी बातों में से जितना हिस्सा मेरी समझ में आया—और मैंने उन्हें इसलिए पढ़ा क्योंकि—खैर, उन्होंने एक किताब लिखी थी, 'द फेनोमेनोलोजी ऑफ परसेप्शन' (न्यूयॉर्क: ह्यूमैनिटीज प्रेस, 1962)। और मुझे ऐसा लगा कि हम कला को जिस तरह से ग्रहण करते हैं, उसमें धारणा (परसेप्शन) की बहुत बड़ी भूमिका होती है।
But if I did read, say, [Maurice] Merleau-Ponty, for instance, it always seemed to me that the parts that I understood in what he was talking about - and I read him because - well, he wrote a book, well, the Phenomenology of Perception [New York: Humanities Press, 1962]. And it seemed to me that perception had a lot do with how we take in art.
But if I did read, say, [Maurice] Merleau-Ponty, for instance, it always seemed to me that the parts that I understood in what he was talking about - and I read him because - well, he wrote a book, well, the Phenomenology of Perception [New York: Humanities Press, 1962]. And it seemed to me that perception had a lot do with how we take in art.
हालाँकि, आप जिस संस्कृति में रहते हैं, वही आपकी कला के अर्थ को तय करती है—कला के मायने समझने के लिए यह एक बहुत ही महत्वपूर्ण पहलू है। लेकिन इसका संबंध इस बात की सामान्य समझ से ज़्यादा था कि आखिर आप कर क्या रहे हैं।
The idea of the culture that you live in determining meaning in your art, though, is a very important aspect of what art would be about. But that had more to do with the kind of general understanding of what the hell you're doing, you know.
The idea of the culture that you live in determining meaning in your art, though, is a very important aspect of what art would be about. But that had more to do with the kind of general understanding of what the hell you're doing, you know.
एक कलाकार के रूप में आपको जिस एक चीज़ को विकसित करना होगा, वह है अपने काम पर भरोसा और यह विश्वास कि आप जो कर रहे हैं वह सही है।
ne thing you have to develop as an artist is a confidence in what you're doing and that you're right about it.
ne thing you have to develop as an artist is a confidence in what you're doing and that you're right about it.
मैंने मुख्य रूप से अन्य कलाकारों पर भरोसा किया, जो मुझे लगता है कि किसी भी आलोचक, क्यूरेटर या ऐसे ही किसी अन्य व्यक्ति से ज़्यादा समझदार होते हैं। वे वास्तव में जानते हैं।
I relied mainly on other artists, who I think are smarter than critics, any critics or curators or anybody like that. They really know.
I relied mainly on other artists, who I think are smarter than critics, any critics or curators or anybody like that. They really know.
मुझे वियतनाम युद्ध के विरोध वाली कला पसंद नहीं थी। मुझे नारीवादी कला भी पसंद नहीं थी। मुझे लगता था कि कला के रूप में वह बहुत सतही और बेवकूफी भरी थी।
I didn't like anti-Vietnam War art. I didn't like feminist art. I thought it was heavy-handed and stupid - as art.
I didn't like anti-Vietnam War art. I didn't like feminist art. I thought it was heavy-handed and stupid - as art.
लेकिन कलात्मक रूप से, मैंने अपनी कला को अपने राजनीतिक विश्वासों से बहुत अलग रखा, जानबूझकर और बहुत, बहुत ही कम बार मैंने इस तरह की चीज़ों को अपनी कला में आने दिया।
But artistically, my art I kept very separate from my political beliefs, deliberately and very, very rarely would I allow that kind of thing into it.
But artistically, my art I kept very separate from my political beliefs, deliberately and very, very rarely would I allow that kind of thing into it.
मैं पृष्ठभूमि में रहने का आदी हूँ। मैं ऐसा काम करने का आदी हूँ जो केवल कुछ समय के लिए टिकता है। मैं वास्तविक दुनिया में काम करने का आदी हूँ, जहाँ वास्तविक चीज़ें होती हैं।
I'm used to being the background. I'm used to having work that only lasts for a little while. I'm used to being - working in the real world, where real things are.
I'm used to being the background. I'm used to having work that only lasts for a little while. I'm used to being - working in the real world, where real things are.
सबसे पहले तो मैं रेखाचित्रों (ड्रॉइंग्स) को कला की पूर्ण कृतियाँ मानता हूँ। हालाँकि, ये विचार ऐसे हो सकते हैं जिन्हें विकसित करके कुछ बड़ा रूप दिया जा सके। अब चूँकि मैं भाषा के साथ काम कर रहा हूँ, इसलिए मैं ज़्यादा रेखाचित्र नहीं बनाता। जब मैं मूर्तिकला के साथ काम करता था, खासकर जब तार (वायर) से जुड़ी कलाकृतियाँ बनाता था, तब मैं ज़्यादा रेखाचित्र बनाया करता था।
I consider drawings finished works of art, first of all. However, the ideas can be something that can be developed into something larger. I don't make so many drawings anymore since I'm working with language. I used to make more when I worked with sculptural things, especially the wire pieces.
I consider drawings finished works of art, first of all. However, the ideas can be something that can be developed into something larger. I don't make so many drawings anymore since I'm working with language. I used to make more when I worked with sculptural things, especially the wire pieces.