मुझे लगता है कि जापानी नजरबंदी के बारे में याद रखने वाली सबसे महत्वपूर्ण बात है—वहाँ की परिस्थिति। हम पर हमला हुआ था। शायद रूजवेल्ट को इसकी उम्मीद थी—मुझे तो ऐसा ही लगता है। मुझे नहीं लगता कि उन्हें पर्ल हार्बर पर हमले की उम्मीद थी। मुझे लगता है कि उन्हें दक्षिण-पूर्वी एशिया पर हमले की उम्मीद थी। लेकिन पर्ल हार्बर पर हमला हो गया था।
I think the important thing to remember about the Japanese internment is the situation. We had been attacked. Maybe Roosevelt expected it - I rather think he did. I don't think he expected an attack on Pearl Harbor. I think he expected an attack on Southeast Asia. But we were attacked at Pearl Harbor
I think the important thing to remember about the Japanese internment is the situation. We had been attacked. Maybe Roosevelt expected it - I rather think he did. I don't think he expected an attack on Pearl Harbor. I think he expected an attack on Southeast Asia. But we were attacked at Pearl Harbor
आप जानते हैं, आप हमेशा तब तक आलोचना नहीं कर सकते जब तक कि कोई इसकी मार झेलने वाला न हो। और शायद उन्होंने (एलेनोर) कभी अपने विरोधियों की नीयत को उतना श्रेय नहीं दिया, जितना उन्होंने उनकी नीयत को दिया।
You know, you can't always criticize without somebody being at the end of the stick. And she perhaps did not always grant credit to her opponents for their motives, any more than they granted credit to her for hers.
You know, you can't always criticize without somebody being at the end of the stick. And she perhaps did not always grant credit to her opponents for their motives, any more than they granted credit to her for hers.
बीसवीं सदी की सबसे प्रभावशाली महिलाओं में से एक? खैर, यह शायद कुछ ज्यादा ही बढ़ा-चढ़ाकर कहना है। जब वास्तव में प्रभावशाली महिलाओं की बात आती है, तो मेरा ध्यान मार्गरेट थैचर, गोल्डा मीर... जैसी अपने दम पर सच्ची राजनीतिक नेता रही महिलाओं की ओर जाता है।
One of the most influential women of the 20th century? Well, that may be overdoing it. When one thinks of really influential women, my mind turns to Margaret Thatcher, Golda Meir, ... some of the true political leaders in their own right.
One of the most influential women of the 20th century? Well, that may be overdoing it. When one thinks of really influential women, my mind turns to Margaret Thatcher, Golda Meir, ... some of the true political leaders in their own right.
मुझे लगता है कि यह सच है कि एलेनोर रूजवेल्ट ने उस मोर्चे पर इतनी सक्रियता दिखाकर इस प्रभाव को बहुत हद तक पुख्ता किया। और यह उनकी तारीफ की बात है कि उनकी इसमें रुचि थी, मैं यह कहूँगा। लेकिन एक बार फिर, मुझे पक्का नहीं पता कि रूजवेल्ट ने किस हद तक उनका इस्तेमाल किया—मेरा अनुमान है कि उन्होंने वास्तव में उनका इस्तेमाल किया, खासकर नागरिक अधिकारों के मोर्चे पर। इसमें कोई दो राय नहीं है, क्योंकि उनकी छवि एक मुखर व्यक्ति की थी, और उन्होंने कई अश्वेतों को प्रशासन में, व्हाइट हाउस में, रूजवेल्ट के सामने और इन सब जगहों पर पहुँचाया।
I think that it is true that Eleanor Roosevelt, by being so active on that front, contributed to that impression very substantially. And it's to her credit that she was interested in this, let me say. But once again, I'm not sure the extent to which Roosevelt - I guess he did use her really, particularly on the civil rights front. No question about it, because she was well identified out there, and brought a good many blacks into the Administration, into the White House, into his presence and so on.
I think that it is true that Eleanor Roosevelt, by being so active on that front, contributed to that impression very substantially. And it's to her credit that she was interested in this, let me say. But once again, I'm not sure the extent to which Roosevelt - I guess he did use her really, particularly on the civil rights front. No question about it, because she was well identified out there, and brought a good many blacks into the Administration, into the White House, into his presence and so on.
हमारी नौसेना का एक बहुत बड़ा हिस्सा डूब चुका था। और हम बिना किसी देर के युद्ध में कूद पड़े। संयुक्त राज्य अमेरिका के जापानी-अमेरिकी नागरिकों को नजरबंद किए जाने पर आज पीछे मुड़कर देखने पर हमें जो दुख होता है, मैं भी उस दुख में शामिल हूँ। वह हमारा सबसे अच्छा समय नहीं था। लेकिन उस समय सुप्रीम कोर्ट के सामने यह मामला आया था, और उसने इसे सही ठहराया था तथा बरकरार रखा था।
Our Navy was very largely sunk. And we were at war in no time at all. I share, in retrospect, the distress we all share at the internment of the Japanese American citizens of the United States. It was not our finest hour. But the Supreme Court had it before it at the time, and justified it and upheld it.
Our Navy was very largely sunk. And we were at war in no time at all. I share, in retrospect, the distress we all share at the internment of the Japanese American citizens of the United States. It was not our finest hour. But the Supreme Court had it before it at the time, and justified it and upheld it.
क्या आप इस बात को महसूस करते हैं कि इस समय हमारे पास बैरी गोल्डवाटर हैं जो 'मोरल मेजॉरिटी' के खिलाफ लड़ रहे हैं, और 'द न्यू यॉर्क टाइम्स' गोल्डवाटर का समर्थन कर रहा है? समय बदल गया है।
Do you realize that at the moment we have Barry Goldwater fighting the Moral Majority, with The New York Times rooting for Goldwater? Times have changed.
Do you realize that at the moment we have Barry Goldwater fighting the Moral Majority, with The New York Times rooting for Goldwater? Times have changed.
मुझे लगता है कि एलेनोर रूजवेल्ट का उन दिनों में एक महिला होना शायद अतिरिक्त आलोचना का कारण रहा होगा, हालांकि उस दौर में प्रथम महिलाओं की परिभाषा के अनुसार वे महिलाएं ही हुआ करती थीं। प्रथम महिला की भूमिका क्या होनी चाहिए, इसको लेकर हमेशा से एक समस्या रही है और आज भी है। जैकी कैनेडी, नैंसी रीगन और भगवान जाने हिलेरी क्लिंटन तक, हर किसी ने इसे देखा है। इसलिए यह समस्या अभी तक हल नहीं हुई है।
I think the fact that she [Eleanor Roosevelt] was a woman probably in those days would have been an additional criticism, although first ladies by definition in those days were women. There's always been a problem and still is, about the role the first lady should play, of course. Everybody's seen it in Jackie Kennedy and Nancy Reagan and, heaven knows, Hillary Clinton. So the problem has not been solved.
I think the fact that she [Eleanor Roosevelt] was a woman probably in those days would have been an additional criticism, although first ladies by definition in those days were women. There's always been a problem and still is, about the role the first lady should play, of course. Everybody's seen it in Jackie Kennedy and Nancy Reagan and, heaven knows, Hillary Clinton. So the problem has not been solved.
संयुक्त राष्ट्र में उनकी अधिकांश भागीदारी—जिसे इतिहास के रूप में, जैसा कि मैंने कहा, मैं बहुत गंभीरता से नहीं लेता, क्योंकि मैं जानता हूँ कि संयुक्त राष्ट्र का यह कामकाज कैसे चलता है—मूल रूप से एक दिखावा भर है, जिसमें असली काम पीछे वाशिंगटन में और संबंधित राजधानियों में होता है, और सामने दिखने वाले लोग बस औपचारिकताएं निभा रहे होते हैं।
Most of her participation in the United Nations, which [??] history, as I say, I don't take too seriously, because I know how that UN operation works, and it is essentially a facade in which the work is done back in Washington and in the capitals involved, and the people up front are just going through the motions.
Most of her participation in the United Nations, which [??] history, as I say, I don't take too seriously, because I know how that UN operation works, and it is essentially a facade in which the work is done back in Washington and in the capitals involved, and the people up front are just going through the motions.
और अगर कोई ऐसी बात सामने आती थी जो इतनी अच्छी नहीं लगती थी, तो शायद वह उस रूप में बाहर नहीं आ पाती थी जैसी आनी चाहिए थी। लेकिन इसके बावजूद कि उन्हें मदद मिली थी, वे जानती थीं कि उस मदद का इस्तेमाल कैसे करना है। और उन्होंने इसका बहुत प्रभावी ढंग से उपयोग किया।
And if something came along that didn't sound so good, it perhaps didn't always get out there as it should have. But given the fact that she [Eleanor Roosevelt] had the help, nonetheless she knew how to use it. And she used it very effectively.
And if something came along that didn't sound so good, it perhaps didn't always get out there as it should have. But given the fact that she [Eleanor Roosevelt] had the help, nonetheless she knew how to use it. And she used it very effectively.
यह आलोचना का एक और विषय था। मुझे याद है कि 1940 के दशक में उन्हें उस समय के हिसाब से एक राजसी रकम, यानी लगभग एक डॉलर प्रति शब्द के हिसाब से भुगतान किया जाता था। मैं यह उनके कॉलम के लिए नहीं कह रहा, बल्कि उन लेखों और ऐसी ही अन्य चीजों के लिए कह रहा हूँ जो वे लिखती थीं। और वे ढेर सारे भाषण देती थीं।
This was another subject of criticism. She was being paid, as I recall, during the 1940's, what was then a princely sum, something like a dollar a word. I don't say that for the column, but for articles that she would write and things like that. And she made lots of speeches.
This was another subject of criticism. She was being paid, as I recall, during the 1940's, what was then a princely sum, something like a dollar a word. I don't say that for the column, but for articles that she would write and things like that. And she made lots of speeches.
मुझे लगता है कि एलेनोर रूजवेल्ट से कभी पूछताछ इसलिए नहीं की गई क्योंकि शायद वे बहुत ज्यादा नहीं जानती थीं। उनके ऊपर साम्यवाद के मुद्दे पर जो भी आलोचनाएं हुईं, उनका आधार उनकी भोलापन था, न कि उसमें उनकी कोई संलिप्तता। और फिर, एक सार्वजनिक हस्ती और संयुक्त राष्ट्र में हमारी प्रतिनिधि होने के नाते, उनमें ऐसा कुछ भी नहीं था जो कम्युनिस्ट हो, यह बिल्कुल तय है।
I think she [Eleanor Roosevelt] never was called because she probably didn't know an awful lot. The whole burden of the criticism of her on the subject of Communism is naiveté, not participation. And again, being a public figure and our representative at the UN, there was nothing Communist about her, certainly.
I think she [Eleanor Roosevelt] never was called because she probably didn't know an awful lot. The whole burden of the criticism of her on the subject of Communism is naiveté, not participation. And again, being a public figure and our representative at the UN, there was nothing Communist about her, certainly.
खैर, उस समय हम निश्चित रूप से उन्हें (एलेनोर और फ्रैंकलिन रूजवेल्ट को) एक साझीदार जोड़े के रूप में देखते थे। हमें इस बात की कोई जानकारी नहीं थी जो बाद में सामने आई कि उनके वैवाहिक जीवन में कितनी कठिनाइयां थीं, या फ्रैंकलिन और उनकी मां ने कई मायनों में एलेनोर को कितनी परेशानियां दी थीं। हमें इस बारे में ज्यादा कुछ नहीं पता था।
Well, at the time, we certainly regarded them [Elianor and Franklin Roosevelt] as partners. We did not know what has since come out about the difficulties of their marital life, or the problems that Franklin gave Eleanor and his mother gave Eleanor, in many respects. We didn't know much about that.
Well, at the time, we certainly regarded them [Elianor and Franklin Roosevelt] as partners. We did not know what has since come out about the difficulties of their marital life, or the problems that Franklin gave Eleanor and his mother gave Eleanor, in many respects. We didn't know much about that.
यह तो मानना ही होगा कि वे (एलेनोर और फ्रैंकलिन रूजवेल्ट) कुछ हद तक मार्गदर्शक या पहल करने वाले थे। वे यह नहीं जानते थे कि गरीबों के लिए वे जो आवास परियोजनाएं बना रहे हैं, वे आगे चलकर ड्रग्स के अड्डों और बलात्कारियों की पनाहगाहों में बदल जाएंगी, जो कि वे बाद में बन गईं। लेकिन आप हमेशा भविष्य का अनुमान नहीं लगा सकते। मुझे यकीन है कि उनकी नीयत पूरी तरह से नेक थी।
One has to say that they [Eleanor and Franklin Roosevelt] were pioneering to some extent. They didn't know that some of the housing projects that they were putting up for the poor were going to turn into crack dens and rapists' bowers and things of that sort, which they have since become. But you can't always foresee the future. I'm sure their intentions were the best.
One has to say that they [Eleanor and Franklin Roosevelt] were pioneering to some extent. They didn't know that some of the housing projects that they were putting up for the poor were going to turn into crack dens and rapists' bowers and things of that sort, which they have since become. But you can't always foresee the future. I'm sure their intentions were the best.
आम तौर पर लोगों के मन में यही धारणा बन गई थी कि एलेनोर रूजवेल्ट हमेशा देश भर में घूमती रहती थीं और ओज़ाक (Ozark) क्षेत्र की किसी ऐसी जगह पर अचानक पहुँच जाती थीं जिसे वे पिछड़ा मान लेती थीं, और यह घोषणा कर देती थीं कि वहाँ कुछ किया जाना चाहिए। उनकी सामाजिक चेतना बहुत सक्रिय थी, जिसे मैं आम तौर पर उनकी एक खूबी मानता हूँ, हालांकि कई लोगों को लगता था कि यह इतनी ज्यादा बढ़ जाती थी कि इस बात पर मजाक उड़ने लगता था कि वे पूरी दुनिया को एक बहुत बड़ा झुग्गी-झोपड़ी का प्रोजेक्ट मानती हैं।
That was a general impression that one got, that she [Eleanor Roosevelt] was always flitting around the country and descending on some place in the Ozarks that she decided was disadvantaged, and announcing that something had to be done. And she had a very active social conscience, which I think in general is to her credit, although it tended, as many people thought, to just be overdone to the point where it gave rise to this crack that she regarded the whole world as one vast slum project
That was a general impression that one got, that she [Eleanor Roosevelt] was always flitting around the country and descending on some place in the Ozarks that she decided was disadvantaged, and announcing that something had to be done. And she had a very active social conscience, which I think in general is to her credit, although it tended, as many people thought, to just be overdone to the point where it gave rise to this crack that she regarded the whole world as one vast slum project
यह उस दौर की बात है जब किसी ने यह सोचने की भी जहमत नहीं उठाई थी कि सांसद—प्रथम महिलाओं की तो बात ही छोड़िए—भाषण देकर पैसे कमाते हैं, इसलिए उनकी आलोचना की जाए। तो एलेनोर ने काफी पैसा कमाया, जिसे, जहाँ तक मैं जानता हूँ, उन्होंने शायद अच्छे कामों में लगाया होगा, या शायद नहीं। मुझे बस इसके बारे में पता नहीं है। लेकिन मुझे नहीं लगता कि वे साहित्य के क्षेत्र में कोई बहुत बड़ी क्रांतिकारी थीं।
These were in the days before anybody thought to criticize Congressmen, let alone first ladies, for making money on speeches. So Eleanor raked in quite a bit of cash that she may have put, for all I know, to good uses, or maybe not. I just don't know. But I don't think she was any great literary breakthrough.
These were in the days before anybody thought to criticize Congressmen, let alone first ladies, for making money on speeches. So Eleanor raked in quite a bit of cash that she may have put, for all I know, to good uses, or maybe not. I just don't know. But I don't think she was any great literary breakthrough.
विरासत की बात करें, तो मुझे नहीं लगता कि उनके यहाँ से गुजरने के बाद इतिहास में कोई बहुत बड़ी थाput या छाप छोड़ी गई हो। उन्होंने कुल मिलाकर 'न्यू डील' के दौर में सामाजिक चेतना की भावना को और बढ़ाया। यह उनकी बहुत बड़ी खूबी थी कि वे अश्वेतों के नागरिक अधिकारों के संघर्ष में शुरू से ही उनके पक्ष में खड़ी थीं। उनमें हर चीज में शामिल होने की एक प्रवृत्ति थी, जो आसानी से दखलंदाजी की हद तक पहुँच जाती थी।
In terms of legacy, I'm not sure that I see some great historic deposit there, as a result of her passing our way. She heightened the sense of social conscience in the New Deal generally. To her great credit, she was early on the side of the blacks in their fight for civil rights. She had a tendency to participate, which easily oozed over into meddlesomeness.
In terms of legacy, I'm not sure that I see some great historic deposit there, as a result of her passing our way. She heightened the sense of social conscience in the New Deal generally. To her great credit, she was early on the side of the blacks in their fight for civil rights. She had a tendency to participate, which easily oozed over into meddlesomeness.
मुझे बिल्कुल अंदाजा नहीं है कि उन्होंने इस मुद्दे पर अचानक बोलना क्यों बंद कर दिया। शायद उन्हें ऐसा करने के लिए कहा गया हो। मैं यह आसानी से मान सकता हूँ कि प्रशासन के भीतर यह एक बहुत लोकप्रिय रुख नहीं रहा होगा, खासकर तब जब उनके अपने पति ने एक कार्यकारी आदेश के जरिए नजरबंदी का आदेश दिया था। शायद उनसे बस यह कह दिया गया हो: "सुनिए, अब हम युद्ध में हैं। अपनी सामाजिक चेतना को थोड़ा ठंडे बस्ते में डाल दीजिए।"
I have no idea why she quieted down on the subject. Maybe she was told to. I can imagine that it wasn't a very popular position in the Administration, with her own husband having ordered by executive order the internment. Maybe she was just told: "Look, we're in a war now. Turn off your social conscience."
I have no idea why she quieted down on the subject. Maybe she was told to. I can imagine that it wasn't a very popular position in the Administration, with her own husband having ordered by executive order the internment. Maybe she was just told: "Look, we're in a war now. Turn off your social conscience."
ये लोग शक्ल-सूरत से जापानी लगते थे, मूल रूप से जापानी थे, और इनकी संख्या भी अच्छी-खासी थी। हमारे पास यह जानने का कोई जरिया नहीं था कि वे किस हद तक घुसपैठ का शिकार हुए हैं। उनकी अपनी तरफ से यह बहुत बड़ी बात है कि ऐसा शायद बिल्कुल भी नहीं हुआ था। लेकिन मैं समझ सकता हूँ कि ऐसा क्यों किया गया। और उस समय धारा के विपरीत खड़े रहने के लिए मैं एलेनोर का सम्मान करता हूँ। लेकिन यह वाकई एक बहुत बड़ी लहर थी। और मैं यह नहीं कहूँगा कि वह कदम पूरी तरह से अनुचित था।
These people looked Japanese, were originally Japanese, were numerous. We had no way of knowing to what extent they had been infiltrated. To their great credit, it seems not to have been very much at all. But I can understand why. And I rather respect Eleanor for standing out against the tide at that point. But it certainly was a tide. And I'm not going to say it was unjustified.
These people looked Japanese, were originally Japanese, were numerous. We had no way of knowing to what extent they had been infiltrated. To their great credit, it seems not to have been very much at all. But I can understand why. And I rather respect Eleanor for standing out against the tide at that point. But it certainly was a tide. And I'm not going to say it was unjustified.
और एलियानोअर के पति ही वे व्यक्ति थे जिन्होंने नजरबंदी की व्यवस्था की थी। और मुझे लगता है—गवर्नर वॉरेन, जो आगे चलकर मानवाधिकार के विभिन्न मुद्दों पर इतने उत्साही मुख्य न्यायाधीश बने—नजरबंदी की इस प्रक्रिया में बहुत प्रमुख रूप से शामिल थे। और मुझे लगता है कि हम अक्सर यह समझ नहीं पाते या याद नहीं रखना चाहते कि उस समय लोगों की भावनाएं कैसी थीं।
And Eleanor's husband was the man who did the interning. And I think they - Governor Warren, who was later to become such an impassioned Chief Justice on all sorts of human rights issues, was very big in the internment process. And I think that we simply sometimes tend not to understand or remember how people felt.
And Eleanor's husband was the man who did the interning. And I think they - Governor Warren, who was later to become such an impassioned Chief Justice on all sorts of human rights issues, was very big in the internment process. And I think that we simply sometimes tend not to understand or remember how people felt.
मुझे नहीं लगता कि संयुक्त राष्ट्र में उनका कोई भी ऐसा कदम रहा हो जिसकी पहले से विदेश विभाग के अधिकारियों द्वारा जाँच न की गई हो, जिसे मंजूरी न दी गई हो और जिसके लिए अधिकृत न किया गया हो। यह बात जरूर है कि वे दुनिया भर में काफी घूमीं और अपने विशाल स्लम प्रोजेक्ट के उन हिस्सों को ढूँढ निकाला जिनकी मरम्मत की जरूरत थी। लेकिन मुझे नहीं लगता कि मुख्य बात यह थी। असल बात तो यह थी कि आखिर वे फ्रेंकलिन रूज़वेल्ट की याद दिलाती थीं, जिनका तब तक बहुत पहले निधन हो चुका था, और इसी वजह से उनका एक खास रुतबा और प्रभाव था।
I don't think she ever had a single initiative at the United Nations that was not previously [vetted] by the people at the State Department, approved of, and authorized. She did manage to get around the world an awful lot, and find other parts of her vast slum project that needed repair. But I don't think that that was the main point. The main point was that she, after all, connoted Franklin Roosevelt, who by then was long dead, and had a certain prestige and power on that account.
I don't think she ever had a single initiative at the United Nations that was not previously [vetted] by the people at the State Department, approved of, and authorized. She did manage to get around the world an awful lot, and find other parts of her vast slum project that needed repair. But I don't think that that was the main point. The main point was that she, after all, connoted Franklin Roosevelt, who by then was long dead, and had a certain prestige and power on that account.
संयुक्त राष्ट्र में वे स्पष्ट रूप से उपयोगी साबित हुईं क्योंकि वहाँ पहुँचने से पहले ही उनकी एक सार्वजनिक छवि बन चुकी थी। वे काफी मशहूर थीं। वे कई अहम मुद्दों की पैरोकार थीं। जब वे वहाँ पहुँचीं, तो उनकी बात पर ध्यान दिया जाता था, और निःसंदेह यह ध्यान उस स्थिति से कहीं अधिक होता जो तब मिलता जब किसी साधारण व्यक्ति को संयुक्त राष्ट्र में हमारा प्रतिनिधि बना दिया जाता। उस अर्थ में, मुझे लगता है कि उनका वहाँ होना फायदेमंद था।
She was obviously useful at the UN because she had a public persona before she ever got there. She was well known. She was a spokeswoman for many important things. When she got there, what she said was paid attention to, undoubtedly much more than would have been if just Joe Blow had been made our representative to the United Nations. In that sense, I think it was useful to have her there.
She was obviously useful at the UN because she had a public persona before she ever got there. She was well known. She was a spokeswoman for many important things. When she got there, what she said was paid attention to, undoubtedly much more than would have been if just Joe Blow had been made our representative to the United Nations. In that sense, I think it was useful to have her there.
और संयुक्त राष्ट्र में उन्होंने विदेश विभाग तथा अंतरराष्ट्रीय संगठनों के सहायक विदेश सचिव की सलाह मानी—उन्हें वह सलाह माननी ही पड़ी। वे हमारे संयुक्त राष्ट्र प्रतिनिधियों पर बहुत कड़ी नजर रखते हैं। उन्होंने वही किया जो उनसे कहा गया और निर्देश के अनुसार ही वोट दिया।
And at the UN she took the advice - she had to take the advice - of the State Department and the Assistant Secretary of State for International Organizations. They keep our UN representatives on a very short leash. She did as she was told, and voted as she was told.
And at the UN she took the advice - she had to take the advice - of the State Department and the Assistant Secretary of State for International Organizations. They keep our UN representatives on a very short leash. She did as she was told, and voted as she was told.
वे दोनों एक बेहतरीन जोड़ी लगते थे। और यह कहना बिल्कुल उचित होगा कि रूज़वेल्ट एक मंजे हुए राजनेता थे और एलियानोअर सामाजिक रूप से जागरूक एक सक्रिय कार्यकर्ता थीं। इससे उन्हें यिन और यांग का एक बेहतरीन मेल मिल गया, जिसका उन्होंने पूरा फायदा उठाया। और मुझे लगता है कि राजनीतिक रूप से यह उनके लिए बहुत कारगर साबित हुआ।
They seemed like a team. And I think it is fair to say that Roosevelt was the consummate politician and that Eleanor was the socially conscious activist. It gave them a nice combination of yang and yin, which they took advantage of. And I think it worked very well for them politically.
They seemed like a team. And I think it is fair to say that Roosevelt was the consummate politician and that Eleanor was the socially conscious activist. It gave them a nice combination of yang and yin, which they took advantage of. And I think it worked very well for them politically.
वेस्टब्रुक पेगलर ने यह सुझाव दिया था कि उस दौर में—शायद 40 के दशक के उत्तरार्ध में, जब शीत युद्ध के दौरान साम्यवाद की जाँच शुरू हो रही थी—उन्हें बुलाया जाना चाहिए और यह गवाही देने के लिए कहा जाना चाहिए कि वे क्या जानती हैं। मुझे याद है उन्होंने कहा था, "क्या यह दुनिया एक धमाके में राख होकर मिट जाएगी यदि इस बुढ़िया को समन जारी करके संयुक्त राष्ट्र में कम्युनिस्ट पार्टी की गतिविधियों के बारे में जो कुछ वह जानती है, वह बताने के लिए मजबूर किया जाए?"
Westbrook Pegler suggested that in the period, I think the late 40s, when the investigations of Communism were opening up during the Cold War, that she ought to be called and required to testify about what she knew. I remember he said, "Would the world vanish in a blast of flame if this old woman were subpoenaed and compelled to tell what she knows about the Communist Party's activities in the United States?"
Westbrook Pegler suggested that in the period, I think the late 40s, when the investigations of Communism were opening up during the Cold War, that she ought to be called and required to testify about what she knew. I remember he said, "Would the world vanish in a blast of flame if this old woman were subpoenaed and compelled to tell what she knows about the Communist Party's activities in the United States?"
मुझे लगता है कि वह [एलियानोअर रूज़वेल्ट] एक चतुर राजनेता थीं और जनसंपर्क के मामले में बहुत माहिर थीं, हालांकि इस काम में उन्हें मीडिया की हमेशा की तरह मदद मिलती थी। एक रिपब्लिकन और रूढ़िवादी होने के नाते, मैं थोड़ी कसैली मुस्कान के साथ कह सकता हूँ कि डेमोक्रेट्स और उदारवादियों को यह हुनर बखूबी आता है; जब वे कुछ कहती थीं, तो उसे एक अच्छे अंदाज में पेश किया जाता था और उचित मीडिया द्वारा उसे इस तरह हाइलाइट किया जाता था कि वह बहुत आकर्षक लगे।
I think she [Eleanor Roosevelt] was a shrewd politician, and very good in public relations, although she had the usual media help in this. As a Republican and a conservative, I can say ruefully that the Democrats and the liberals tend to get it; that when she said something, it was put in a nice way and highlighted properly by the appropriate media, so that it sounded good.
I think she [Eleanor Roosevelt] was a shrewd politician, and very good in public relations, although she had the usual media help in this. As a Republican and a conservative, I can say ruefully that the Democrats and the liberals tend to get it; that when she said something, it was put in a nice way and highlighted properly by the appropriate media, so that it sounded good.