एक तरह से, मेरे पिता [पाब्लो एस्कोबार] ने एक निश्चित स्तर की ईमानदारी दिखाई जिसे मैंने जाना और मैं कहूँगा कि मैंने उसकी सराहना भी की, क्योंकि मैं चाहूँगा कि मेरे पिता मेरे साथ इस तरह पेश आएँ न कि मुझे एक मूर्ख समझें जिसे इस बात का कोई अंदाज़ा ही न हो कि हमारे आस-पास क्या हो रहा है।
In a way, my father [Pablo Escobar] reached a certain degree of sincerity that I became to know and I would even say appreciate because I would have rather had my father treat me like this rather than as an idiot that would never have any idea about what was happening around us.
In a way, my father [Pablo Escobar] reached a certain degree of sincerity that I became to know and I would even say appreciate because I would have rather had my father treat me like this rather than as an idiot that would never have any idea about what was happening around us.
मैं समझ सकता हूँ कि लोग मेरी छवि और मेरे पिता के व्यक्तित्व से क्यों नफ़रत करते होंगे। गरीबों और राज्य द्वारा भुलाए गए लोगों के बीच मेरे पिता की छवि आज भी एक सम्मानित छवि है। हम चाहें या न चाहें, मेरे पिता एक महत्वपूर्ण व्यक्ति थे जिन्होंने निचले सामाजिक वर्गों के बीच राज्य द्वारा छोड़ी गई खाली जगह को भरा था।
I can understand how people would despise my image and my father's persona. My father's image amongst the poorest of people, those forgotten by the state, still remains a respected image. Whether we like it or not, my father was an important figure who filled a vacuum left by the state amongst the lower social classes.
I can understand how people would despise my image and my father's persona. My father's image amongst the poorest of people, those forgotten by the state, still remains a respected image. Whether we like it or not, my father was an important figure who filled a vacuum left by the state amongst the lower social classes.
मुझे पूरा विश्वास है कि हम सभी के पास हर दिन अपने दम पर फ़ैसला लेने की आज़ादी होती है।
I am convinced that we all have the decision to act on a daily basis.
I am convinced that we all have the decision to act on a daily basis.
[हमारा परिवार] हमारे पिता की छवि से प्यार करता है क्योंकि उनसे हमें केवल प्यार और स्नेह ही मिला। हम इस बात को मानते हैं कि हमारे पिता ने घर के बाहर भयानक नुक़सान पहुँचाया, लेकिन हम बदले में यही उम्मीद करते हैं क्योंकि घर के अंदर उन्होंने हमें सिर्फ़ प्यार ही दिया था।
[Our family] love our father's image because the only thing we received from him was love and affection. We recognize that our father made incredible damage outside of the home but we ask for reciprocity because the only thing he ever gave us within the household was love.
[Our family] love our father's image because the only thing we received from him was love and affection. We recognize that our father made incredible damage outside of the home but we ask for reciprocity because the only thing he ever gave us within the household was love.
[पाब्लो एस्कोबार] ने मुझसे हमेशा कहा था कि जिस दिन वह फ़ोन का इस्तेमाल करेंगे, वह उनका आख़िरी दिन होगा—यह बात जब मैं उनसे बात कर रहा था, तब मेरे दिमाग़ में बिल्कुल साफ़ थी।
[Pablo Escobar] always told me that the day he used the phone would be his last day, something I had very clear while I was talking to him.
[Pablo Escobar] always told me that the day he used the phone would be his last day, something I had very clear while I was talking to him.
मैं एक आज़ाद इंसान हूँ लेकिन समाज के अन्य लोगों की तुलना में सिर्फ़ आंशिक रूप से। मैं ऐसा क्यों कह रहा हूँ? क्योंकि दुनिया में सिर्फ़ एक ही देश है जो मेरे पिता की पहचान की वजह से मुझे अपने यहाँ घुसने से रोकता है, और वह संयुक्त राज्य अमेरिका है।
I am a free man but only partially so relative to other people in society. Why do I say "partially free"? Because there is only one country in the world that denies me entrance because of who my father was and that is the United States.
I am a free man but only partially so relative to other people in society. Why do I say "partially free"? Because there is only one country in the world that denies me entrance because of who my father was and that is the United States.
मुझे इस बात पर हैरानी होती है कि बहुत से लोग इस हक़ीक़त को नज़रअंदाज़ कर देते हैं कि लगभग सभी ड्रग डीलरों का अंत या तो कब्र में होता है या जेल की कोठरी में; हम ऐसा कोई मामला नहीं जानते जहाँ कोई ड्रग डीलर "रिटायर्ड" हुआ हो।
I am surprised that many people disregard the fact that the end for almost all drug dealers ends up being the cemetery or the jail cell, we do not know of any case where a drug dealer has "retired"
I am surprised that many people disregard the fact that the end for almost all drug dealers ends up being the cemetery or the jail cell, we do not know of any case where a drug dealer has "retired"
मैंने अपनी पूरी ज़िंदगी में देखा था कि मेरे पिता अपनी हर समस्या का समाधान हिंसा के ज़रिए ही निकालते थे।
My whole life I had seen my father solve every problem he had through the use of violence.
My whole life I had seen my father solve every problem he had through the use of violence.
बेशक, उस उम्र में [7 साल की उम्र में] हो सकता है कि आपने बंदूक़ों और अपराध वाली फ़िल्में देखी हों, लेकिन तब तक मैं यह भी समझ चुका था कि मेरे परिवार में कुछ अजीब हो रहा है क्योंकि रोड्रिगो लारा की हत्या के बाद सब कुछ पूरी तरह बदल गया था।
Sure, at that age [of 7] you may have seen movies with guns and crime but by then I also knew something strange was happening in my family because it all changed drastically after the killing of Rodrigo Lara.
Sure, at that age [of 7] you may have seen movies with guns and crime but by then I also knew something strange was happening in my family because it all changed drastically after the killing of Rodrigo Lara.
7 साल की उम्र में कोई भी आपको इस बात के लिए तैयार नहीं करता कि आपके पिता आपको बताएं कि वह एक अपराधी हैं—उस उम्र में आप महज़ एक बच्चे होते हैं और खेलकूद या मौज-मस्ती के बारे में सोचते हैं, जिनका वास्तविकता से बहुत कम लेना-देना होता है। यह स्थिति आपको समय से पहले बड़ा और समझदार बनने पर मजबूर कर देती है।
No one prepares you at 7 years of age to have your father tell you he is a criminal - you are still a kid and you are thinking about playing and having fun, things that have little to do with reality. This forces you to grow and mature before due time.
No one prepares you at 7 years of age to have your father tell you he is a criminal - you are still a kid and you are thinking about playing and having fun, things that have little to do with reality. This forces you to grow and mature before due time.
जब [पाब्लो एस्कोबार] ने अपनी पूरी ज़िंदगी आपको सिर्फ़ प्यार और अपनी सबसे बेहतरीन चीज़ें दी हों, तो उनसे नफ़रत करना बहुत मुश्किल हो जाता है।
It's very difficult to resort to hating [Pablo Escobar] when all he gave you his entire life was love and all the best he ever had.
It's very difficult to resort to hating [Pablo Escobar] when all he gave you his entire life was love and all the best he ever had.
जब कोई इंसान इतना शक्तिशाली होता है और सोचता है कि उसकी ज़िंदगी हमेशा ऐसी ही रहेगी, तो यह दुनिया की सबसे क्षणभंगुर (नश्वर) चीज़ साबित होती है। मुझे नहीं लगता कि ड्रग डीलरों के ये बेटे-बेटियां किसी स्थायी शांति या समाज में मानवी मूल्यों को बढ़ाने में कोई योगदान दे रहे हैं। वे तो बस अमीरी और ताकत का ऐसा संदेश दे रहे हैं जो लोगों की जान और सेहत की कीमत पर मिलता है, और वे युवाओं को इसी रास्ते पर चलने के लिए उकसाते हैं।
When one is that powerful and one think life will last like that forever, it is simply the most ephemeral thing. I don't think these sons and daughters of drug dealers are contributing to a lasting peace nor to human values that add to our society. They're delivering the message of riches and power that comes at the cost of people's lives and health and they incentivize young people to follow this model.
When one is that powerful and one think life will last like that forever, it is simply the most ephemeral thing. I don't think these sons and daughters of drug dealers are contributing to a lasting peace nor to human values that add to our society. They're delivering the message of riches and power that comes at the cost of people's lives and health and they incentivize young people to follow this model.
मैं यह बात पाब्लो एस्कोबार के कामों को सही ठहराने के लिए नहीं कह रहा हूँ, बल्कि उनकी परिस्थितियों और उनके फैसलों के पीछे की वजह को समझाने के लिए कह रहा हूँ, जिसके लिए सिर्फ और सिर्फ वही ज़िम्मेदार हैं। मुझे लगता है कि उनके लिए खुद अपने बनाए गए उस आपराधिक साम्राज्य को समेटना बहुत मुश्किल हो गया था, और जब तक वे रुकना चाहते थे, तब तक बहुत देर हो चुकी थी और वे बेबस थे।
I am not saying this to serve as a justification for the things [Pablo Escobar] did, but rather to demonstrate the context of his situation and the reason for his actions, for which only he is responsible for. I think it was very difficult for him to try to bring down the very criminal organization that he had created and by the time he wanted to stop, he was unable to.
I am not saying this to serve as a justification for the things [Pablo Escobar] did, but rather to demonstrate the context of his situation and the reason for his actions, for which only he is responsible for. I think it was very difficult for him to try to bring down the very criminal organization that he had created and by the time he wanted to stop, he was unable to.
मुझे लगता है कि यह एक मिथक है कि किसी संगठन में शामिल होने के बाद आप उसे छोड़ नहीं सकते।
I think it's a myth that one cannot leave any organization once you've entered one.
I think it's a myth that one cannot leave any organization once you've entered one.
अगर मैं अमेरिका में अपने पिता की तस्वीरें दिखाने के लिए पैसे खर्च कर रहा होता (जैसा कि नेटफ्लिक्स करता है), तो मुझे यकीन है कि मुझ पर कानूनी कार्रवाई होती और इसके लिए शायद मेरी जान भी ले ली जाती। और इसके उलट, नेटफ्लिक्स को आलोचना मिलने के बजाय वाहवाही मिल रही है।
If I were paying to display images of my father [like Netflix does] in the United States, I am sure I would face legal sanctions and I would even be killed for doing it. And Netflix receives applause instead of criticism for it.
If I were paying to display images of my father [like Netflix does] in the United States, I am sure I would face legal sanctions and I would even be killed for doing it. And Netflix receives applause instead of criticism for it.
मैं अपने पिता (पाब्लो एस्कोबार) के हिंसक रवैये को लेकर उनसे बहस करता था और उनसे कहता था कि वे हिंसा का रास्ता छोड़ दें और शांति के रास्ते के बारे में सोचें, खासकर तब जब वे ढेरों मुश्किलों से घिरे हुए थे। हालाँकि, वे तुरंत जवाब देते हुए मुझसे कहते, "तुम यह भूल रहे हो कि कोलंबिया में जो पहला बम फटा था, वह तुम पर, तुम्हारी बहन और तुम्हारी माँ पर हमला करने के लिए था—नार्को-टेररिज्म मैंने शुरू नहीं किया था, बल्कि नार्को-टेररिज्म का इस्तेमाल सबसे पहले मेरे परिवार के खिलाफ किया गया था।"
I would argue with my father [Pablo Escobar] about his violent attitude and I would tell him to stop his violent ways and to think about peace as an alternative, especially given the many problems he was having. However, he would reply almost immediately by telling me "you are forgetting that the first bomb that exploded in Colombia was an attempt against you, your sister, and your mother - I did not invent narcoterrorism, narcoterrorism was first used against my family.
I would argue with my father [Pablo Escobar] about his violent attitude and I would tell him to stop his violent ways and to think about peace as an alternative, especially given the many problems he was having. However, he would reply almost immediately by telling me "you are forgetting that the first bomb that exploded in Colombia was an attempt against you, your sister, and your mother - I did not invent narcoterrorism, narcoterrorism was first used against my family.
बेशक, मुझे लगता है कि नेटफ्लिक्स इस मामले में हमसे कहीं ज़्यादा माहिर है। 'नारकास' की वजह से मेरे पिता की छवि को चमकाने में जितनी भारी मेहनत और ध्यान लगाया गया है, उसे अगर आप देखें, तो मुझे एक बात का पूरा यकीन है: अगर मैं वही सब करूँ जो नेटफ्लिक्स मेरे पिता की छवि के साथ कर रहा है, तो बिना एक पल गंवाए मेरी हत्या कर दी जाएगी।
Of course, I think this is something that Netflix does much better. If you analyze the enormous amounts of effort and attention that has been given to my father's image due to Narcos, I am sure of one thing: if I did the same exact thing that Netflix does with my father's image, I would be killed, do not doubt it for a second.
Of course, I think this is something that Netflix does much better. If you analyze the enormous amounts of effort and attention that has been given to my father's image due to Narcos, I am sure of one thing: if I did the same exact thing that Netflix does with my father's image, I would be killed, do not doubt it for a second.
मुझे अमेरिकी धरती पर कदम रखने की इजाजत सिर्फ इसलिए नहीं है क्योंकि मैं पाब्लो एस्कोबार का बेटा पैदा हुआ था, और ज़ाहिर है इसका मतलब यह निकाला जाता है कि मैंने अपने पिता के अपराधों को विरासत में पा लिया है। ऐसा नहीं है कि अब मुझे कोई वीज़ा चाहिए, अब मुझे इन सबकी परवाह नहीं है, मैं पहले भी अमेरिका जा चुका हूँ।
I am not allowed to enter American territory simply because I was born the son of Pablo Escobar and apparently that implies that I inherit my father's crimes. Not that I want a visa now, I don't care anymore, I have been to the United States before.
I am not allowed to enter American territory simply because I was born the son of Pablo Escobar and apparently that implies that I inherit my father's crimes. Not that I want a visa now, I don't care anymore, I have been to the United States before.
मैंने अपनी पूरी जिंदगी यह देखा कि कैसे मेरे पिता की फैलाई हुई हिंसा घूम-फिर कर हमारे ही परिवार पर आ पड़ी, और मुझे लगा कि अगर मैंने अपने पिता की मौत का बदला लेने की कोशिश की, तो मैं अपनी माँ और बहन की मुश्किलें और बढ़ा दूंगा। इसलिए मैंने शांति का रास्ता चुनने की हिम्मत जुटाई।
My whole life I saw how the violence my father created had come back to my family and I thought that I would only make things worse for my mother and my sister if I sought to avenge my father. I had to dare to take a path of peace.
My whole life I saw how the violence my father created had come back to my family and I thought that I would only make things worse for my mother and my sister if I sought to avenge my father. I had to dare to take a path of peace.
मुझे उस दिन पहले ही अंदाज़ा हो गया था कि कुछ तो गड़बड़ है। पाब्लो एस्कोबार ने दुनिया के सबसे वांछित भगोड़े के रूप में पिछले 10 सालों में जो गलतियाँ कभी नहीं की थीं, वे उन्होंने उस एक ही दिन में कर डालीं। वे कभी फोन का इस्तेमाल नहीं करते थे, लेकिन जिस दिन वे मारे गए, सिर्फ उसी दिन उन्होंने फोन का इस्तेमाल किया।
I knew something was wrong that day, he made the mistakes [Pablo Escobar] had never committed throughout the last 10 years as the most wanted man in the world in one day. He never used the phone, he only did the day he was killed.
I knew something was wrong that day, he made the mistakes [Pablo Escobar] had never committed throughout the last 10 years as the most wanted man in the world in one day. He never used the phone, he only did the day he was killed.
मैं यही कहूँगा, और जैसा कि मैंने पहले भी कहा है, 'नारकास' सीरीज़ में असल घटनाएँ नहीं दिखाई जातीं, बल्कि इसमें वे चीज़ें दिखाई जाती हैं जिन्हें पटकथा लेखक अपनी पसंद के हिसाब से यह मान लेते हैं कि हम ऐसे जिए होंगे।
I would say, and as I have said before, the series [Narcos] does not demonstrate real happenings but rather events that the screenwriters, in their own taste, believe depict the way we lived.
I would say, and as I have said before, the series [Narcos] does not demonstrate real happenings but rather events that the screenwriters, in their own taste, believe depict the way we lived.
अतीत और लोगों के अनुभवों से सीखना बहुत ज़रूरी है, सिर्फ एक ड्रग डीलर के तौर पर मेरे पिता के अनुभवों से ही नहीं, बल्कि उन तमाम लोगों से भी जिनका अंत बिल्कुल मेरे पिता जैसा ही हुआ।
It's important to learn from the past and people's experiences, not only from my father's [Pablo Escobar] as a drug dealer, but from others that have ended just the way he did.
It's important to learn from the past and people's experiences, not only from my father's [Pablo Escobar] as a drug dealer, but from others that have ended just the way he did.
मुझे लगता है कि मेरे पिता के साथ इन बहसों ने मुझे एक शांतिवादी (अहिंसावादी) की छवि दे दी थी, खासकर मेरे पिता की नजरों में। जब उन्होंने ला कैटेड्राल जेल में आत्मसमर्पण किया था, तब उन्होंने अपनी इस कार्रवाई को अपने 14 साल के शांतिवादी बेटे को समर्पित किया था।
I think these discussions with my father even gave the label of pacifist, particularly with my father, and he mentions this when he turns himself in to prison at La Catedral when he dedicates his action to his 14-year-old pacifist son.
I think these discussions with my father even gave the label of pacifist, particularly with my father, and he mentions this when he turns himself in to prison at La Catedral when he dedicates his action to his 14-year-old pacifist son.
यह वाकई शर्म की बात है कि ड्रग डीलर और हथियार-गोला बारूद खरीदने वाले लोग अमेरिका में ऐसे आते-जाते हैं मानो कुछ हुआ ही न हो।
It's a shame to see drug dealers enter and leave the United States as if nothing in addition to those that purchase weapons and firearms.
It's a shame to see drug dealers enter and leave the United States as if nothing in addition to those that purchase weapons and firearms.
पिताजी के साथ बहस में आगे बढ़ना बहुत मुश्किल होता था, क्योंकि उनके पास हर बात का कोई न कोई किस्सा या सफाई तैयार रहती थी। हालाँकि, मैं कभी उनकी इन बातों को सही नहीं मानता था, क्योंकि हिंसा का कोई बहाus नहीं हो सकता।
It was very difficult to go farther than that in the arguments with my father because he would always have a story or a justification to tell you, which I never considered valid because there is not an excuse for violence.
It was very difficult to go farther than that in the arguments with my father because he would always have a story or a justification to tell you, which I never considered valid because there is not an excuse for violence.